Pssm Feeding for Horses Triple Crown
| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015  | |
| Posts: 450 | I read the PSSM Forum everyday- and I get some conflicting information so I am going to try this here. I have a horse that has a ton of PSSM symptoms. I am changing her feed (I had her on alfalfa/beet pulp soaked then changed to Purina Impact and her signs got way worse). Now I am switching to alfalfa pellets 3 quarts soaked 2x per day plus 2 quarts Triple Crown Senior. This grain is the only one available in my area with an NSC less than 12%. The next option is Bluebonnets low NSC feed but it's almost 2 hours one way from me. I am also giving her a cup of Purina Outlast 2x per day, 5000IU if vit e, and 1/2 cup of canola oil to add fat. I'm going to try to build her up to 1 cup oil. I am thinking about adding magnesium but I can't find a good source close to me. She's turned out 24/7, and I've started riding her everyday. Is there anything I should change? Opinions? TIA |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses Reg. Dec 2010 | |
| Posts: 1460 | If there's a store that carries a rice bran supplement I'd suggest that over oil. A lot of times with PSSM horses its more the sugar content than NSC. We have one that can handle a higher NSC if the sugar content is very low. She thrives on alfalfa hay and Nutrena Empower Boost rice bran. I think the thing with PSSM a lot of times is a puzzle, not every PSSM horse reacts to the same things. Low NSC isn't always the answer for them all, sometimes its just finding something without molasses in it or low sugar content. You can have a high NSC and low sugar, like the Boost. It works for some and not others. Most feed stores carry some form of rice bran supplement. Might be worth a try |
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| krape Reg. Nov 2004 | |
| Veteran Posts: 194 | We have had several have this same issue through the years. All have been put on Purina Ultium and have never had any more issues. You probably want to cut some of the alfalfa and give more grass hay. It works!! |
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| krape Reg. Nov 2004 | |
| Veteran Posts: 194 | Rice turns to sugar, that won't fix it.   |
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| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015 | |
| Posts: 450 | She also has unlimited access to grass hay in a round bale in our pasture. Not just the alfalfa. So less alfalfa? How much should be cut? Edited by Mzbradford 2017-11-30 3:42 PM |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses Reg. Dec 2010 | |
| Posts: 1460 | But yet rice bran works well for the PSSM horse we have with moderate-heavy symptoms, so again each horse is going to be different. She did terrible on low NSC feeds, did worse when we tried semi lower NSC feeds with more molasses like Senior feeds but she does amazing on the rice bran. It's all in how much you have to feed too. She was eating 2.5qts of those feeds twice a day to keep weight and right now she eats 1.5 cups of the Boost a day because it's 22% fat vs most feeds are 5-9% fat. It works so well because she eats so little and in the warmer months she only eats 1 cup each feeding. The amount of what you feed makes a huge impact on how their bodies handle it, you have to take that into consideration more than you do the kind of feed they're eating. My cushings horse can't handle much starch or sugar but he thrived on the Fuel, which has a ton of corn and molasses in it but he also only needed a handful to keep weight because of the fat content of the feed. He gained weight on that really well and was losing weight eating 8lbs of the TE LNSC a day. So you gotta keep amounts in mind as well. I know other PSSM horses that do well on the rice bran, again because they don't need to eat much at all. |
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| OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003 | |
| Posts: 19623 | Did you say which PSSM you're dealing with? They all have different needs. With 1 it's all about NSC. With the others not so much. It's more about protein. Specifically it's the essential amino acids that they need to have more of. Edited by OregonBR 2017-11-30 3:51 PM |
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| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015 | |
| Posts: 450 | Type 2! |
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| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015 | |
| Posts: 450 | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-11-30 3:45 PM But yet rice bran works well for the PSSM horse we have with moderate-heavy symptoms, so again each horse is going to be different. She did terrible on low NSC feeds, did worse when we tried semi lower NSC feeds with more molasses like Senior feeds but she does amazing on the rice bran. It's all in how much you have to feed too. She was eating 2.5qts of those feeds twice a day to keep weight and right now she eats 1.5 cups of the Boost a day because it's 22% fat vs most feeds are 5-9% fat. It works so well because she eats so little and in the warmer months she only eats 1 cup each feeding. The amount of what you feed makes a huge impact on how their bodies handle it, you have to take that into consideration more than you do the kind of feed they're eating. My cushings horse can't handle much starch or sugar but he thrived on the Fuel, which has a ton of corn and molasses in it but he also only needed a handful to keep weight because of the fat content of the feed. He gained weight on that really well and was losing weight eating 8lbs of the TE LNSC a day. So you gotta keep amounts in mind as well. I know other PSSM horses that do well on the rice bran, again because they don't need to eat much at all. I'll look into this! Triple crown senior has half the fat as the empower. |
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| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015 | |
| Posts: 450 | Another question- sorry guys. Are you working your horses 7 days a week? |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses Reg. Dec 2010 | |
| Posts: 1460 | The mare I'm speaking of is a kids beginner lesson horse, so she only gets ridden by small kids up to trot. Once they start loping they move to the more advanced horse, so she's not super exercised. You could also try adding MVP In-Sync to her diet, it's specifically made for PSSM horses and horses that tie up as well. It provides all those lovely amino acids and things those types specifically rely on. I can get you more info on that if you'd be interested, you can PM me we have some offers. Not trying to push you into buying our products, but just putting out there that it is available for consideration. We don't use it on this mare, I do not own her and its not up to me so I just tried to find a cost effective feed choice for her that her owner agrees with. Just something else to maybe consider, its a little more all inclusive and specific to the dietary needs of these horses. Does great things to the topline on most horses as well. |
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| roxieannie Reg. Sep 2006 | |
| Posts: 3455 | I've got my p2/p2 px/rer guy on triple crown senior , alfalfa cubes and renew gold. Plus one half flake of the large bale alfalfa. I've found the hay if I feed more he get "watchy" triple crown senior is the only processed feed he can tolerate. I have to travel two hours to get his feed. I buy in bulk and store in an airconditioned room. It has taken me over three years to get him to the point where he seems to feel good Remember to change one thing at a time. Note changes good and bad. Mine used to tolerate soy. He can't handle it now. He also gets hymilian salt (pink salt ) Good luck. |
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| slipperyslope Reg. Nov 2008 | |
| | Mzbradford - 2017-11-30 3:00 PM Type 2! If you have Triple Crown Senior available in your area, you should have TC30 also - get that INSTEAD. In order to get enough of the Tri Amino Acids in the horse that is needed (that would be in 1# of TC30), is something like EIGHT lbs! Also - quit changing so many things at once & give something a chance to work. Which forum are you on? If you get on THE PSSM Forum, ask Gina for help - she is really up to date on the feeding. Don't be feeding a bunch of extra supplements you don't need. I would NOT do any rice bran - I fed my one n/P2, n/PX gelding Renew Gold & he got worse - started tying up on me. I feed the TC30, alfalfa mix hay (pasture when we have it), a small amount of soaked alfalfa cubes to mix the TC30, and Fastrack Equine Microbial. Knock on wood, he has responded to this & doing good. |
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| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015 | |
| Posts: 450 | roxieannie - 2017-11-30 7:44 PM I've got my p2/p2 px/rer guy on triple crown senior , alfalfa cubes and renew gold. Plus one half flake of the large bale alfalfa. I've found the hay if I feed more he get "watchy" triple crown senior is the only processed feed he can tolerate. How much pink salt do you give? |
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| Mzbradford Reg. Jun 2015 | |
| Posts: 450 | slipperyslope - 2017-11-30 8:09 PM Mzbradford - 2017-11-30 3:00 PM Type 2! If you have Triple Crown Senior available in your area, you should have TC30 also - get that INSTEAD. In order to get enough of the Tri Amino Acids in the horse that is needed (that would be in 1# of TC30), is something like EIGHT lbs! Also - quit changing so many things at once & give something a chance to work. Which forum are you on? If you get on THE PSSM Forum, ask Gina for help - she is really up to date on the feeding. Don't be feeding a bunch of extra supplements you don't need. I would NOT do any rice bran - I fed my one n/P2, n/PX gelding Renew Gold & he got worse - started tying up on me. I feed the TC30, alfalfa mix hay (pasture when we have it), a small amount of soaked alfalfa cubes to mix the TC30, and Fastrack Equine Microbial. Knock on wood, he has responded to this & doing good. I only have triple crown complete and triple crown senior available in my area. |
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| roxieannie Reg. Sep 2006 | |
| Posts: 3455 | Looks to be a heaping teaspoon |
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| ImaSparkyAce Reg. Aug 2007 | |
| Elite Veteran Posts: 1008 | Mine gets a diet balancer and added fat plus pasture or hay. Has worked well for him. |
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